ENTREVISTA FISKALES AD HOK RESURGE CON NUEVA FORMACIÓN: “NO PUEDES ESTAR EN UNA BANDA 27 AÑOS SI NO LO PASAS BIEN…”

Nos encontramos con un Fiskales Ad Hok renovado. Luego de la salida de sus guitarras “Mecha” y “Guardabosques” nos presentan  una alineación fresca, que da inicio a una nueva faceta en la historia de la banda más influyente de la escena Punk chilena.

Hay algo claro tras haber visto al nuevo Fiskales en vivo  y es que hay un dejo de malicia en esas dos guitarras nuevas (Jaime de Curasbun y Pollito de Mal Gobierno), quienes aportan un peso extra al trabajo que se está gestando luego de su disco “Lindo Momento Frente al Kaos”, al parecer la actitud rabiosa vuelve a tomar presencia con la llegada de estos dos nuevos  músicos, resolviendo bien sobre el escenario, con una mezcla enérgica y poderosa.

Las interpretaciones suenan seguras y naturales, hay simples atracciones en los arreglos modernos, la soltura de siempre de uno de los mejores bateristas que arrojó la generación noventera de Punk-rock  (Memo Barahona) resuena y cala hondo, estribillos con un ruego ascendente, Fiskales Ad Hok florecen como en sus mejores discos, que no son esos que te entran a la primera, sino los que resuenan cada vez más con varias escuchadas. Así es la agrupación actual, áspera y punzante, hoy Fiskales suena más a Rock duro que a Punk Rock y es que los años cambian y ese peso nuevo se nota en la música, donde debe ser.

La banda y los que responden siempre a cada entrevista a veces con respuestas calcadas son los mismos, sus fundadores Alvaro España y Roly Urzua. No les entran balas, se sientan y hablan de lo suyo, desde lo que opinan sobre la escena (o “no escena”) Punk, hasta  de política. No les inquietan las preguntas, se ríen distendidos, bromean, toman el control o casi todo el control de la situación, explican con nombres y apellidos el coqueteo con el “establishment”,  lo asumen, pero  también saben hacer respetar su peso y lo que esto conlleva, son 27 años de ruta y es seguro que dicen lo que les entra en gana, quizás ya no en base a la pasión de la juventud, sino que dosificando sus tiempos y pensando mejor sus respuestas, hoy tienen claro lo que son y para donde van (o no van),viviendo y disfrutando la música tanto o más que en antaño.

Hablar con ellos es como hablar con un paria del cual quieres escuchar una opinión, pero en el fondo sabes que se sienten más cómodos sin exponer un panfleto, sino que narrando su propia historia. Quizás esta es la razón principal por la cual las letras nacen desde una catarsis de hechos que muchas veces rehúyen de explicar, y aunque quizás ellos mismos reciten uno que otro “cliché”, algo es seguro, saben dictarlos con una clase y convicción que muchos se quisieran tanto sobre, como bajo el escenario.

Esta entrevista se realizó previo a una noche que comenzó fría, poco más de 150 personas se agolparon para escucharlos en el epicentro de la movida rockera de San Bernardo, el “Rock City”, un Pub que sólo se dedica a realizar eventos de rock y que a la vez que sirve de bar. El Concierto se calentó poco a poco y el nuevo sonido de Fiskales fue entendido y agradecido por el público.

A continuación las respuestas y comentarios de Álvaro y Roly, entrevista que se grabó con cámaras con la idea de ser subida a nuestra Web en formato video, pero que lamentablemente por problemas técnicos, específicamente de sonido, tuvo que ser traspasada a texto escrito, por esto se piden las disculpas correspondientes a los entrevistados.

1) A 26/27 Años como banda… ¿Cómo creen que ha sido la evolución de la escena punk en Chile?, ¿Avanza o retrocede?

Álvaro España: Yo nunca me he creído el cuento de la escena o movimiento en Chile. En todos los estilos musicales las bandas tienen que necesariamente empezar de abajo, ninguno llega de famoso a la primera, hay que ser persistente , tocar por lo menos unos 5 a 6 años para que te empiecen a conocer…, ahora no se si avance o retroceda, más bien yo creo que se mantiene, porque aparecen unos desaparecen otros. Lo bueno es que si lo comparamos con 26 años atrás, las bandas tienen mucho mejor nivel sonoro, composición y de calidad musical también. Las herramientas que manejan ahora son muchas y también convierten esto en un arma de doble filo.

Roly Urzúa: No…, yo creo que igual escena hubo y harta…, en un tiempo muy buena. El tiempo del Hardcore  (Silencio Absoluto, Disturbio Menor), fue una escena distinta a la Punk de nosotros, pero el problema está en la perseverancia. Ellos se quedaron “pelando y tejiendo” como el CEMA Chile de Lucia Hiriart (risas), -grandes amigos…, sin desmerecer-,… pero ahora creo que esta todo en un tema de polución y pasa todo a nivel de escena, porque no hay un Pop definido, no hay una música definida, hay todo un asunto súper etéreo. Antes por ejemplo te repartías con un grupo de amigos, un lugar te salía 30 lucas, y armabas algo, podías tocar. Hoy en día un lugar te cuesta 400 lucas, es caro. Ahora, lo más cercano que recuerdo haber vivido como escena, que tampoco sé si respondía a ese nombre, fue lo que gestamos con Hielo Negro, Yajaira, Fiskales, que no tenían mucho que ver en lo que a sonido se refiere, pero fueron para nosotros la última cofradía con bandas.

2) Cual es la visión de Fiskales ante el acontecer nacional actual, ¿Por qué creen que luego de tantos años, las temáticas de sus primeras canciones continúan vigentes? (“El Circo” por ejemplo, “Río Abajo”, entre otras)

A: Si las temáticas se repiten es porque los temas no han cambiado, el poder lo siguen teniendo de diez, nueve y el resto sigue en lo mismo. Nuestra narración es el día a día.

R: El problema, es de ellos. Ahora por ejemplo está clarísimo que va a salir Bachelet, pero va a consolidar el fracaso del PPD y toda la concertación, después van a haber dos presidentes de derecha, porque el PPD tampoco está preparado. Es una mierda, la política es una mierda y actores que renueven la política es imposible. Si la política está amarrada y estratégicamente está todo estipulado…, ya Bachelet se cagó a los estudiantes, y vuelve con nuevas propuestas, con lo mismo, están hilando muy fino y que viene pactado desde mucho antes. Temáticas como el problema con los pueblos originarios, para nosotros puntualmente viene del 50’.

A: Ese es un problema que no se ha solucionado nunca, sigue el tema súper candente, obviamente los medios le hacen el quite. No lo muestran, tergiversan, ocultan. Es una lucha que no para y tiene para bastante rato…, y si lo manifestamos hace tanto tiempo en “Rio Abajo” es porque siempre ha estado latente, ocultado por otras cosas, pero siempre ha estado ahí.

3)Tenemos un Chile en donde se discute mucho el tema del lucro, especialmente con el tema de la educación…, ¿Qué opinión tienen con respecto al lucro dentro de la escena punk que se da con algunos productores “Under”, que han hecho de este movimiento el negocio que los sustenta?

R: Te juro que si inventas una guea’ buena y cautivas gente, es válido. El problema que veo es referente a otras cosas; cuando te sacas la chucha y pagas entre un montón de cosas la Universidad de tus hijos, y que las carreras no estaban validadas o que esas universidades se cagan a mitad de camino, eso es más grave. Porque si tienes problemas con un productor hasta le puedes pegar, por lo menos lo tienes al alcance, a los otros no les puedes pegar. Entonces… ¿qué podemos hacer?

4) Fiskales siempre ha sido una banda antisitémica pero supongo que la rabia que los motivaba  a fines de los 80’ no proviene de los mismos problemas, especialmente por el contexto histórico y la edad de sus integrantes. ¿Qué motiva hoy a Fiskales para seguir adelante?, ¿Su reciente cambio de formación influye en la motivación?

A: Yo creo que ahora a nosotros mismos nos sorprende un poco, es muy raro que hayan pasado 26 o 27 años y que nosotros todavía sigamos tocando. Nosotros nunca planeamos el hecho, menos a tan largo plazo. Si seguimos haciendo esto, es porque seguimos pasándolo bien con lo que hacemos…, tener el fiato entre nosotros como un “familión” de amigos.  Tocar en vivo, eso es lo que en estos momentos mantiene a la banda en pie, pero nosotros del principio hasta el día de hoy, nunca nos hemos proyectado a más allá del año en que estamos viviendo. Fiskales se puede acabar en cualquier momento, no estamos viendo las cosas más a futuro. Igual seguimos y ahora lo que más nos ha renovado la sangre en cierta forma, es el recambio que vivimos, por que, lamentablemente a fines del año pasado tuvimos que separar los caminos con unos amigos nuestros que eran los guitarristas (Mecha y Guardabosques) que van a ser familia igual, como Víbora, pero teníamos que reestructurar porque aparte de tocar y tocar teníamos que parar y hacer nuevas canciones, componer y en la retirada es donde entran, Jaime (Guitarrista de Curasbún) y Pollito, que viene de una escuela muy buena y que nosotros amamos como es Malgobierno y es algo que te renueva, suena mucho más pesado, con ganas y estamos haciendo temas y era algo necesario, la rabia sigue viva, lo de antisistema es algo que de siempre cala en nuestra historia. Por otro lado, no puedes estar en una banda 27 años si no lo pasas bien…, si esto no es un trabajo.

R: Pasa también que estamos acostumbrados a pasarlo bien, a disfrutar mucho lo que nosotros hacemos con la banda. Y con la anterior formación, las cosas ya se estaban dando vuelta en lo mismo, el fiato se había desgastado, no se estaba pasando bien. Ahora hacemos lo mismo que con los otros guitarristas, pero lo pasamos bien.

5) Según muchos fanáticos “Traga” es uno de los mejores discos de Fiskales, musicalmente uno de los más experimentales y también uno de los más polémicos. ¿Cómo fue que Fiskales accedió a trabajar con un sello multinacional (Culebra de BMG)?, ¿Cuáles fueron los problemas por esta decisión y porqué nunca más tuvimos otro disco como el Traga?

R: “Traga” en sí, es el comienzo del primer disco de Fiskales, es un disco “perro”, el asunto con el sello Culebra y su re-edición se tornó imposible por ser parte del sello…, un día el sello quebró alguien compro los permisos y quedamos sin editarlo al igual que muchas otras bandas de la época, son cosas que ahora pagamos tras cosas de pendejos, firmar por un sello, pero ha salido pirata (risas).., igual lo sacamos. Son ese tipo de cosas, pero por ejemplo ese disco a diferencia del primero el “Homónimo” era ya una recopilación de 5 años de Fiskales. O sea, si te das cuenta ya en el primer disco de la banda había temáticas que estaban fuera del odio, de los cristianos, “Hambre del Corazón”, “Santiago”. De hecho cuando grabábamos el primer disco ya estaban visualizados temas para el siguiente, ya estaban los riffs para “Eugenia” por plantearlo de alguna forma. Por otra parte ya teníamos que hacer una recopilación necesaria, porque mucha gente pedía el disco. Pero tal como dice Leo Allen (DADA) en su libro y mucha otra gente de esa época, lo particular es que “Traga” era cuando Fiskales ensayaba ocho horas al día, porque básicamente no teníamos nada más que hacer, de ocho horas de ensayo rescatas mucho, como se pierde otro poco.

6) Tras editar “Fiesta” y debutar Memo Barahona en reemplazo de Micky, con un disco en directo. El 2000 visitan 8 países Europeos (Alemania, Holanda, Bélgica, Suiza Italia, Austria, Republica Checa y Polonia) ¿Cuéntanos de aquellas experiencias vividas cuales fueron los puntos altos y bajos de esa importante gira?

A: Hicimos dos giras el 2000 y el 2004. Tocamos en casa okupas y pequeñas piezas en muchos lugares, tenemos puros puntos altos, salir,  te nutres de tocar  y tocar en poco tiempo, es muy provechoso, para la cabeza fue un desahogo. Fue bien “aperrada” la gira, muy panketa, pero conoces muchas cosas. En Sudamérica nos falta tocar, Centroamérica. Solo hemos tocando en Argentina. Pero estamos en un proceso en el que queremos meter todo e irnos de gira. Estamos pasándolo bien con la banda.

7) ¿Cómo fue el  trabajo con el director Pablo Insunza en el documental sobre Fiskales “Malditos”? , ¿tuvieron participación en la edición de este? Y ¿Qué les pareció el resultado final?

R: Nunca confiamos en el trabajo de él. El documental nos lo presentó un amigo y dejamos a cargo a una gran amiga nuestra de mucha confianza, Mónica Peralta y es la razón por la cual el documental salió un poco redondo y bastante ético. Yo no iba a estar sujeto a un tipo de documental con una persona que no conocía. Pero igual también, faltaron partes muy importantes como Fiskales Ad-Hok en otras facetas, que por ser parte de un proyecto de estado, no podían salir. Temas como las cárceles de alta seguridad, el trabajo con comunidades Mapuches, fueron temas que faltaron. Por ser un tema estado, no iban a salir nuestras mejores tocatas, que fueron los años nuevo en algunas (Cárceles) junto a Malgobierno.

A: A mí al verlo me emocionó, porque contó la historia en paralelo con el país. Más que algo musical, un grupo de amigos.

R: Hace no tanto tiempo lo vi entero, pero para nosotros nunca fue un atado que nos llevaran presos 25 veces al año, era parte de la época que estábamos viviendo, nunca mediste ni pensaste en lo que iba a causar históricamente, ahora el documental ha sido mostrado en colegios donde niños de 14 han empezado a seguir a Fiskales, por ese lado lo encuentro algo más positivo, se genera un cuestionamiento necesario, y va más allá de la banda.

8) El proyecto CFA, cuál es/fue su relación con la banda y porqué hace mucho que no se sabe de este. ¿Cuáles son las ventajas y desventajas de ser independiente?

R: CFA siempre ha sido plateando como plataforma, no como sello y de forma independiente, hoy funciona como sala de ensayo. Las ventajas y desventajas, bueno siempre tienes que estar pendiente de tu banda, siempre… y con CFA nosotros no podíamos tener una oficina de gestión de producción. Hacíamos una plataforma de grabación, entonces las bandas que le sacaron provecho a esa plataforma surgieron, pero a los otros que estaban esperando que les hicieras tocatas, nosotros no lo íbamos a hacer, es imposible, yo me preocupo de mi banda y hago lo posible por tocar con mi banda.

9) ¿Que opinan de la irrupción del Internet, y la caída de la industria disquera?, ¿Juega a favor de los músicos independientes?

R: Con el internet tienes que adaptarte, siempre pienso que es mejor que la gente escuche música a que no la escuche. Y los discos físicos son muy caros, si le sacas esos gigas al disco no vas a bajar un mp3 vas a demorarte en bajar un AIFF o u WAV y vas a tener lo mismo. Pero mi postura es que es mejor que la gente lo baje de internet a que lo compre, porque un disco es muy caro. Que podría ser mucho más barato y más entretenido también si no tuviéramos todo un cuento regulador detrás. Nos pasó al momento de lanzarnos a nuestra propia plataforma con CFA. “Lindo Momento Frente Al Caos” es un buen disco, pero “Calavera” es considerado por muchos un punto bajo en sonido, pese a ser un buen disco. Yo lo defiendo porque fue el cambio de pasar de grabar en un estudio caro, pagar mucha plata, a comprarte todas las interfaces aprender y dar el siguiente paso y “Calavera” fue víctima de esa nueva prueba, de ese nuevo camino, muy buen disco, pero no sabíamos usar la plataforma. En “Lindo Momento Frente Al caos”, ya sabíamos usar las plataformas y es el resultado que tuvimos. Es la forma de independencia que queremos para Fiskales. Si la industria cayó no fue por falta de creatividad de los músicos fue por sus alzas y por poca adaptación.

10) Ustedes están en el punk desde sus comienzos y la violencia es parte de este desde siempre. Recordar las peleas de plaza Italia v/s 25 en los 90’s, los disturbios en múltiples conciertos (como “Sin Dios” en el 2003). Poniendo como ejemplo actual el último concierto de “Los Crudos” en Chile. ¿Cuál es el problema del punk que acaba con sus propios espacios? ¿Tiene solución?

R: Yo creo que la violencia es un ente vivo, que tengas posesión de un espacio en ese momento y no lo tengas en otro, manifiestas en ese lugar cosas que no manifiestas en otra situación, es lo que mantiene viva ciertas cosas, por ejemplo una hinchada sin bombos es fome, cuando existe algo vivo, un ente que tiene un carácter va a funcionar así y netamente tiene problemas. En Chile, esos mismos problemas vienen de los golpes de estado, es un movimiento social que tiene relación o que tiene interrelación con lo que pasa en todo nivel humano, o sea es terrible que cuando estas a mayores niveles, hay muertos y sangre, cosa que en Sudamérica conocemos de sobra. Si el punk se manifiesta de esa forma o no tiene solución, no podemos ponernos en los zapatos de cada uno, antes organizábamos en la clandestinidad muchas cosas y todos nos buscábamos, ahora todo requiere mucho dinero. El dinero genera que pretendas exigir por algo y, esto no es oferta y demanda. Es una consecuencia de lo que por herencia nos ha marcado como país.

A: Con respecto a la violencia años atrás nos agarrábamos con los del 25, Los KK, Cerillo, Amapola (Los Miserables), todos grandes amigos hoy en día. Son etapas el resto, mitos.

11) “Alerta Fascista que todo el territorio se vuelve anarquista”, es una consigna que se suele escuchar en sus conciertos. Políticamente hablando, ¿Qué relación tiene Fiskales con el anarquismo chileno contemporáneo y cuál es su opinión con respecto al caso bombas y estás nuevas acciones directas que se ha ido dando paulatinamente?

R: Yo creo que cuando algo se convierte en un movimiento se corrompe y si lo miras así, tiene lógica. Es la cosa de sentirse paria, no sentirse parte de nada. Si la anarquía se organiza no le creo, sería otro partido político más. Somos parias y el afín que tenemos con el público de Fiskales es ese, que no pertenecemos y reitero que no queremos pertenecer tampoco, no estamos ahí. No queremos que nadie nos diga que tenemos que creer o escuchar. Las acciones directas y los montajes son netamente una cosa de ellos, de los gobiernos y pasa mucho. La violencia marcada está ahí, toma otras formas.

A: Creo en la anarquía como el cambio de un individuo. Es el cambio que tiene que tener uno con lo que nos rodea.

12) El público “Punk” es muy sensible y ante cualquier coqueteo con el “Establishment” (Ir a la televisión, grabar con sellos multinacionales, etc.) se crucifica a las bandas con el rótulo de “Vendidos”. ¿Según ustedes cual es el límite que debe tener una banda punk en su relación con el sistema y  la industria de la música y las comunicaciones?

R: Nosotros hemos hecho todo eso, pero tocamos en vivo, esa es la diferencia, y decimos lo que queremos. O sea no es nada grabado, ni playback y si se nos sale un improperio se lo tendrán que bancar. Hemos salido en canales de televisión, tocado en grandes shows y en un bar, pero hemos hecho siempre lo que hemos querido. Acá nada esta pauteado. Las radios las hacen los consorcios ya no me cautiva nadie, ni la televisión, ni la radio. Ya no tenemos a un Rolando Ramos con un programa como en los inicios con “Melodías Subterráneas”, ni una “Alcantarilla Gaseosa”, que podemos esperar. Sobre límites, cada cual ve donde se mete.

13) Tenemos una amplia gama de discos con sus propios estilos cada uno de ellos. ¿Qué podemos esperar de Fiskales para su nuevo trabajo’, ¿Cómo les ha resultado la etapa de composición para su disco nuevo? ¿Y qué nos podrían adelantar de este?

A: Nosotros estamos en constante conflicto con lo que nos rodea. Quizás esa es la forma que puede acercarte a un disco de nosotros, primero hacemos la música, luego vamos a las letras. Yo supongo y me tomo con mucha humildad la buena onda que me tira la gente, siempre me pasa que se acerca gente y me dice que tal canción lo identificó porque fue algo que vivió en algún momento, creo que eso tiene que ver con que estamos hablando un lenguaje común, vivimos en un mismo país, tenemos los mismos problemas. Narramos las mismas historias y pretendo que siga así con la gente que va a ver a Fiskales. La diarrea mental en cuanto a letras viene al final.

R: Con los nuevos integrantes estamos trabajando en la música, no queremos adelantar nada todavía, pero vamos a tener un gran disco y nuevos aires en la banda. Dos personajes de grandes escuelas. Hay Fiskales para rato. Estamos mezclando todo, todo a la juguera para empezar una nueva etapa, a ver si podemos tomárnoslo  al final (risas).

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